he voted against the debt ceiling deal. he is a fiscal conservative. at the same time, on an issue like immigration, because the personal becomes political in his case. he is looking at what is best for america in terms of bringing these folks, many of whom didn't come here, you know, on their own steam, came here as young children. these people are americans just the way his family was. i mean, turns out that his grandfather was an undocumented immigrant. and because of special legislation that we have regarding cubans, the 1966 cuban refugee law, you know, he was allowed to become a citizen. so he is the beneficiary of this. he knows that we, of course, are a nation of immigrants. i think it will move him more towards the middle and move him as a person who can reconcile left and right. >> speak offing of immigrants, what is the back story -- i know there was cloudiness early on about his story about his family, about his upbringing. what have you cleared up there? >> well, michael grunwald wrote our story, and he cites this biography of came out on